2005-11-28 [Nuada]: uh...for what

2005-11-28 [DarkJenni]: for changing it....most probably wouldn't do that...I don't think.

2005-11-28 [Nuada]: I donot want a bad first impression and I really wish to be a Elftown Guard I think I can help

2005-11-28 [Nuada]: thats why I quickly changed it

2005-11-28 [DarkJenni]: ^_^

2005-11-28 [Nuada]: so...are you a member

2005-11-28 [DarkJenni]: nope I am not....I am not too worried about it though.

2005-11-28 [Nuada]: that is good...it does not matter if you are not a member or not...just as long as you support Elftown and help keep it free of all the jerks

2005-11-28 [DarkJenni]: yup, yup..

2005-11-28 [Nuada]: so...has there been a time when you wanted to be a member

2005-11-28 [DarkJenni]: yeah....but to me it was just fun writting up the application in the stuff that i have done recently and in the past.

2005-11-28 [Nuada]: what did you want to be?

2005-11-28 [famous_mo_money]: I want to try and join the crew, but am not to sure how to do so. Please send me a text

2005-11-28 [Zab]: Read the page, it is all written on this wiki. ;)

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: Applications have been devided into high, medium and low. Members who feel offended: spend your energy on improving, flaming the crew or this wiki won't enhance your chances of becoming a crewmember :)

2005-11-28 [Aidan Ryuko]: yay i reached a high state without any "medicinal" herbs:D, I think this is a good initiative, people know what place they are at and also that people do bother to read the pages ~ easier to change what you know

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: Generally there have been a few overlooks, but now it were just so many that they needed to be divided. And thank you *^__^*

2005-11-28 [Leara]: How are you dividing them Sunrose?

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: I look at what is on the page, some are very obviously good or bad. Others I check their houses to see if there are any reports on them, what those say and what date those reports have. I generally know who are active members in some way, others have their applications show how they are active. Some people have reasonably good applications, but you never see them anywhere. Some have normal applications, but of whom you know are very active. Anyway, basically you can see how they were divided as it explains above the sections what each section means. If anyone in the crew feels I placed someone wrongly, then please say so.. :)

2005-11-28 [Patri]: I think [Dil*]'s campaign should be placed between the "high" ones. I think the problem with her campaign is that it doesn't look very mature because she makes too many jokes in it. Excepting that, she seems a hard worker person. Maybe if she changed that, she could be promoted to high.

2005-11-28 [Leara]: Do you also check who has made reports?

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: that wouldn't be fair =p

2005-11-28 [Leara]: How woulld that not be fair? Cause if someone is saying they want to help out, though they haven't made any, or many reports, I don't think that shows much interest. If someone is interested, they would be making reports when they see rule breakers. In some cases, you can see that a member has been here a while, and may have only made one report...whats the chance that they only came across one reportable thing? I say that also because a lot of people have wrote that they want to be guards.

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: a few people make a lot of reports yet some one else might be better for the job then the person that is making a ton of reports, just my prospective

2005-11-28 [Patri]: THe issue about reports is just simple to me: it doesn't matter how many reports a person made, it only matters its quality and truthfulness.

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: [Dil*] is an active member yes, but if you want my honest opinion and that is not to offend her, she needs to try and stick to one task. Because right now it seems she wants to do everything and doesn't get around to really actively do any of them. And that is really a shame. Perhaps she will recognise that... // Well not all crewmembers are active reporters. I had never really made any reports before joining the crew for instance. You can be active in several ways, so I don't think a member should be immediately denied because they didn't make reports. And further I also agree with [Ihsahn]: everyone has their qualities :) And yes [Patri] you are also right :)

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: I was just stating how I felt, and I do think it is true...

2005-11-28 [Leara]: I don't think they should be denied, but I just wonder how do we know who is capable of doing the job, and who is in it to get a title and feel as though they have power.

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: or who has to much free time on their hands? =p

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: Assuming that everyone who becomes Crew will also become a Guard, which is not so. You can never know for sure whether what you say is the case or not, BUT you can see if someone is willing to invest time in Elftown. As [Hedda] says it is better to know that someone is a bit badgehorny than hiring someone who is secretly badgehorny and quits as soon as badges are given. When you know someone is a bit badgehorny, at least you know what to expect. On another note often it is also a vibe you get from someone. Aside from all this, when someone becomes crew they still need to prove themselves to get higher. People who only do it for the power are often picked out pretty soon.

2005-11-28 [Leara]: I guess. Guess I'm just worried about making sure the right people are picked that will help make ET better

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: Of course and so we don't just kick anyone into the Crew. And if any crewmember is using powers wrongly, that crewmember will be reprimanded in appropriate manners for it. // I will add to this that it is simply easier to become crew when more crewmembers know you. Because they will know whether or not you are trustworthy. And good ways of getting known to them is not by stalking their houses with pm's, but by making good reports, being active in forums and wikis, donating art and so on. This way the crew will see your effort...

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: basically how active and what they have done for the cummunity?

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: It has to be of some quality of course and I am sure people will interpret this and other things I've said as some popularity thing, but I do think new crewmembers should go well with most older crewmembers. It kind of helps working together and so on... . And perhaps other crewmembers look at other things, I am not the only one who can suggest new members and I never make decisions of new crewmembers on my own. All I have said is based on my opinion and my experience.

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: *community

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: I didn't want to point it out :p

2005-11-28 [shotokan_gal]: Psst, you can edit your postings ;)

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: I know that, it is just funnier the way it is

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: Also another note as reply to [Leara]: the members making good reports are usually incorporated to the Patrollers pretty fast. So the applications are not so much a way to find reporters, the reports themselves are.. . The recently hired Guards for instance have been Patrollers delivering many good reports. Neither of them actually made an application...

2005-11-28 [Leara]: Well, even for crew it's good to know the rules well, I think reports demonstrate that someone does know them, thats just me, not saying that someone who doesn't report doesn't know the rules though.

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: Well it would be kind of odd indeed to hire someone in the crew who violates the rules. That is also why reports on the memberhouse are checked. Of course someone can make a mistake once in the crew, but that hardly happens. More importantly to reporting ruleviolaters would be to follow the rules yourself at first as you are an example to others. And as you said yourself, not reporting others does not mean you don't know the rules.

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: I am a example... of what though I am not sure...

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: Of zealousness :p

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: there you go using big words... I am confused now >.<

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: I seem to be good at confusing others :D

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: I am being a ass =p I know what your saying

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: Like this? :p http://www.bumc.bu.edu/www/busm/oma/images/CincoDeMayo2004/Pinata.jpg

2005-11-28 [Leara]: OMG! Thats him! XD hehehehe

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: *wears a sombrerro and jumps around*

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: *giggles* :P

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: *eats a carrot*

2005-11-28 [Sunrose]: Where did the stick go >__>

2005-11-28 [Ihsahn]: its right there *points*

2005-11-29 [Sunrose]: Thanks Char :p

2005-11-29 [peter griffen]: peter griffen for guard

2005-11-29 [Ihsahn]: perhaps you should review the uploading art rules [peter griffen] before applying, thats just a thought

2005-11-29 [Charybdis]: :PP // Or this page, for that matter...

2005-11-29 [Ihsahn]: that might help

2005-11-29 [shotokan_gal]: You'll also want to stop uploading images which have already once been deleted by guards or you'll be facing a ban long before you get anywhere near crew.

2005-11-29 [Sunrose]: Well at least he spelled guard right :p (yes I found typo's in applications regarding that word and yes it takes points off your application! :P)

2005-11-29 [Patri]: what kind of typos? gaurd for example?

2005-11-29 [Ihsahn]: indeed =p

2005-11-30 [Sunrose]: Not 'for example', I meant that word specifically :p

2005-11-30 [Ihsahn]: almost as funny as the wiki Revolt!

2005-11-30 [Sunrose]: I just think you should be able to spell the title you are aiming for. If you sollicit for a job in real life having errors in your jobtitle won't get you very far. It's like you didn't even care to read what you are applying for... :p

2005-11-30 [Patri]: I do agree!

2005-11-30 [Zab]: Oooh! I want to be a Gaurd! May I join?! XD // hehe..I agree very much.. did you really find typos in that? Strange...

2005-11-30 [Paz]: wow... typos take off points? I better go fix those :) I as well wish to be a guard but I'm fine with just patrolling

2005-11-30 [Sunrose]: It is handy if you can use English properly, but if you make mistakes it is not a deadly sin or anything. Except if you spell Guard wrong, because that is just...wrong!  And yes [Zab], I found applications of people who asked to be a gaurd.... :P there are also members who write wikki or winki instead of wiki (though I don't remember seeing that in these applications..) =P

2005-11-30 [Zab]: XD *is amazed* Wow... there are people worse than me in spelling! XD

2005-11-30 [Paz]: Sometimes it's not always spelling.... some people (like me) can only type with one or two fingers so they tend to miss and press the wrong keys XD (This entry itself had over 15 mistakes)

2005-11-30 [Sunrose]: But I type with mainly three fingers or so as well :p

2005-11-30 [Zab]: Well..I'm also only typing with one finger..XD *looks at myself; toungue out in concentration, trying to hit the right key* XD hmm.. anyways, we shouldn't chat here. :P

2005-11-30 [Sunrose]: You are right :P

2005-11-30 [Paz]: Spamming we are... lol, I'll shut up now XD

2005-11-30 [Living on a lie]: is it alright if i become a guard

2005-11-30 [SpiralDragon]: Apply! make a wiki and see what happens? ^_^

2005-11-30 [Living on a lie]: i have made a wiki i think

2005-11-30 [SpiralDragon]: Did you post it here?

2005-11-30 [Living on a lie]: nope how do i post it here

2005-11-30 [SpiralDragon]: Well There going to need to look at it so just post the link in this comment box. < wikiname @wiki >

2005-11-30 [Living on a lie]: fort minor rocks@wiki

2005-11-30 [Charybdis]: Actually, it's much better if you do add it to the page, since then it won't be lost when there are enough new comments to bump it off. CNETG9 sets out how to edit wikipages... although if you're not completely confident with the way Elftown works yet, then it'd be best for you to familiarize yourself with the basic things like the wiki system first before you seriously consider applying.

2005-11-30 [Living on a lie]: i have to go but can you mail me the results

2005-11-30 [Charybdis]: Don't sit on the edge of your chair- why do you think there are so many other pages listed? //  .... Uhm, [SpiralDragon] meant an application wiki. The one you just mentioned doesn't really have anything to do with apply to the crew, though it does show that you know how to make a wikipage.

2005-11-30 [SpiralDragon]: Charybdis I didn't know weather or not it should be added, I didn't want it to mess up the list. ;)

2005-11-30 [Living on a lie]: ok then so do i include what i can bring to the team and stuff like that

2005-11-30 [Charybdis]: Read what is written on this page, and look at other applications to see how it is generally done. I will stress again, though, that if your knowledge is a little shaky then it's too early to think about applying. Particularly if you haven't shown that you've read this page, and especially what is looked for in an applicant.

2005-11-30 [Living on a lie]: ok then thank you for your help,you will be hearing from me in the future.thank you for your help

2005-12-07 [dark_wolves]: i would like to anything that open

2005-12-07 [Paz]: Create an application wiki if you haven't already done so, and specify what position you want, if you do not have a clue just say 'crew'

2005-12-07 [Paz]: I moved your application to the proper place [kittykittykitty] :) No worries

2005-12-07 [kittykittykitty]: Oh yeah... ooops ':)

2005-12-08 [Kiddalee]: ***voids my dumb question***

2005-12-08 [Konobi]: I wonder why my list is still on the medium. Does getting on the high list more than just making a well-presented application? I guess they're going for people that have actually been on ET for awhile... maybe I'm wrong. *Shrugs slightly.*

2005-12-09 [DarkJenni]: hey, [Paz] did you automatically place your application within the high? I don't think you can do that...O.o

2005-12-09 [Patri]: No, she didn't. [Sunrose] organized the applications in categories.

2005-12-09 [DarkJenni]: oh okay....I was just checking...cause I had checked the side panel thingy. ;p

2005-12-09 [Paz]: I earned the position on the high list (somehow, not really sure). I would not go so low as to make myself better than the others if I had formutaled this list. The side panel thingy says that I was the last person to edit the wiki page, not that I actually created the categories ;P 

2005-12-09 [DarkJenni]: ah...okay....lol. Well I was only wondering cause that happened last time. Just making sure.

2005-12-09 [Charybdis]: [Konobi]: how long you have been on ET has very little to do with it. If you look at the list of people who' ve been made crew, a number of them joined after you did. Obviously, chances are that you probably have a better knowledge of ET if you've been around longer, but that's hardly the only criterion I think :) Reread what the blurb above the list of applications says if you're not sure about it.

2005-12-09 [Paz]: Also, it all amounts to experience, how well you get along with some of the crew (and Hedda) as well because then you would be hard to work with. Then it also all falls down to your contributions, if you just sign up an application and then do nothing, you don't make a very good impression and no one knows if you have the experience or not :)

2005-12-09 [Morrigon]: I put a note that I updated my application. Just making sure its okay to do that, don't want to clutter up the list space.

2005-12-09 [Paz]: nope, I'm sure it's fine :)

2005-12-09 [Morrigon]: okay hah just making sure. hah I'm such a suckup :P

2005-12-09 [Paz]: lol, who isn't ;P We all suckup at one point in our lives, more than once at that...

2005-12-09 [Morrigon]: hee hee, I mostly ask because I hate it when people screw around with my wiki's...

2005-12-09 [Paz]: You can always fix them when they are messed up and report the offender XP Some people here have a jopb to maintain the wikis so there isn't much you can do >.< lol, granted it is annoying when an offender does it

2005-12-09 [Konobi]: Eh. I guess you're right. I haven't done as much as the others... Hehe. Guess I'd better get to work!

2005-12-09 [Aidan Ryuko]: it's not necesarily how much you do but how you do it;) someone can write 2000 wiki's about the uploading art rules and you make 1 good one, that'll get you chosen

2005-12-13 [Acceber]: I added my application ^_^ Is it in the right place?

2005-12-13 [kittykittykitty]: Yeah it is! How often do they check out new applications?

2005-12-13 [Sunrose]: I was the last one to check them out, but if someone else in the crew wants to check them out now that is fine with me as well. I just don't have time to read every new application each time 1 gets added. It is better for me to do a couple in one heap when I have some time left :)

2005-12-13 [kittykittykitty]: OK! Not that I'm trying to rush you or anything! :)

2005-12-13 [Morrigon]: hurry up! i'm an important person with many things to do. HAH whatever, take your time, it's not like I'm going anywhere ^.^

2005-12-13 [Paz]: Don't worry, many people have been waiting a long time for something to happen and for most nothing has but the council will get on it when they have the time so never fear!! You shall be looked at!! ;P

2005-12-14 [Aidan Ryuko]: you mean when they are done eating my bribal ice cream, 200 liters for each council member, MUHAHAHAA!! so you can at least expect them to be busy for another week with "important matters" hehe

2005-12-14 [kittykittykitty]: *giggles*

2005-12-14 [Paz]: lol, most times they are always busy, sometimes as I have been told by some crew, they are just lazy ;P Too much ice-cream might make them sick and you must consider the council members that are lactose intolerant, so I shall bake them all cake :D 

2005-12-14 [Paul Doyle]: Patience, patience, O Fellow Padawaans. . . this is not a driver's license renewal at the Department of Motor Vehicles, y'know. ;-)  If more people helped Council out on a regular basis, they would not be so harried and hassled.

2005-12-14 [Paz]: I try to help out, unoticed but I do not mind. We just are joking around, I've been here so long I'm not really expecting results for an even longer time. Driver's Lisense renewal? (doesn't drive yet) Just tell me what to do and I can do it!! (I have way too much free time on my hands)

2005-12-14 [Sunrose]: Who says it was unnoticed? Just because we don't run behind you showing we noticed, doesn't mean it was not noticed ;)

2005-12-14 [kittykittykitty]: Everyone notice [Paz]... she is feeling unnoticed and we must resolve this great dilemma! *bows down to show her notice-ment of the great Paz* :P Sorry I couldn't resist

2005-12-14 [Paz]: I just get told off a lot... mostly for small mistakes. I don't know, I've been depressed lately and I was clumping here with the real world as well XD lol, The 'great' Paz thanks you ;)

2005-12-14 [Sunrose]: That is mostly on the Guards-page :p

2005-12-14 [Paz]: I apologise for that *slaps self in dis-grace* I stopped watching the page so the temptation will stop arising :P I shall behave myself from now on

2005-12-14 [Zab]: hehe..:P I'm still watching the page, and I mostly have to nail my fingers to the table not to answer.. especially questions as ''May I join?'' XD

2005-12-14 [nokaredes]: I type answers a lot and then go somewhere else without pushing enter *shifty eyes*

2005-12-14 [Paz]: I do that sometimes, I'm so tempted to answer questions like "How do I make a wiki" and such... I have to quickly veer away from the page or else someone controls me and I type an answer and then click the evil enter key.... *gaspage*!!! ;D

2005-12-15 [David the Good]: How do I upload gif files to ET?

2005-12-15 [nokaredes]: Didn't you just ask at the council page or something? O_o You'll have to be more specific, anyway. How are you trying to upload GIF images?

2005-12-15 [Leara]: Gifs upload the same as jpegs, except if it's a moving gif and not made by you, it isn't allowed, and even then once uploaded it won't move on here.

2005-12-15 [Paz]: If you have wiki privs than you can save the animation to the web and upload it right to the wiki but you must keep it on the wiki (unless you made it, then it can go on your house) GIF files are the same as JPEG for normal image uploadings. As [Leara] said moving gifs won't work if uploaded in your image slot ;P

2005-12-15 [nokaredes]: And they don't upload from other websites, just your computer.

2005-12-15 [Paz]: So in other words, photobucket is a no no and so are gifs already uploaded someplace.

2005-12-15 [Zab]: David, you did ask that.. and I answered.. (On elftown graphics I think) if you ask something you better watch that page, and if you don't understand the first time someone answers, ask again for a better explanation ;P

2005-12-15 [Sunrose]: GIF files not made by you may also not be uploaded to a wiki with wikiprivs: we don't want such images uploaded on Elftown's server. So you'd have to upload them elsewhere before putting them on a wiki :)

2005-12-16 [Death's Die-Ary]: hello,sunrose ^^

2005-12-16 [Sunrose]: mmm hello :)

2005-12-16 [kittykittykitty]: Hello everybody! ^_^

2005-12-16 [Paul Doyle]: Hi hi

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: heya

2005-12-16 [nehirwen]: hellow..

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: what do you think of this whole application thing

2005-12-16 [nehirwen]: it's a great idea! what do you think about it?

2005-12-16 [kittykittykitty]: I think it's good! Its fun too.. creating your application and stuff ^_^ Like applying for a real job. Not that it's not a real job I just mean it's on the internet, so it's not like a normal job. It's different, in a good way different.... hmmm so what was I saying?

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: I just love the idea it realy gives people a chance to realy help with elftown and stuff. And I realy apreciate the work the council is doing overall.

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: some off them realy WORKED ther way to the top like [Sunrose]

2005-12-16 [nehirwen]: yeah it's quite a job.. but it's fun to do I think ^^ some of them really derserves it, like [Sunrose] indeed

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: I think it's fun to and that we should give [Sunrose] a lot of credit.

2005-12-16 [nehirwen]: *yay* for [Sunrose] ;)

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: *yay* for [Sunrose] too oowyah I've got an idea let's put a *hail* where that one came from.

2005-12-16 [kittykittykitty]: Yay! *hugs [Sunrose]* ^_^

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: *looks around* I can't see you hug. To bad cause a group hug for [Sunrose] would be nice

2005-12-16 [kittykittykitty]:

Hug Sunrose

2005-12-16 [nehirwen]: thank you for supporting me [-tsukasa-] ^^

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: The pleasure is all mine.

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: *Yays* I added my name to Hug Sunrose

2005-12-16 [kittykittykitty]: *giggles*

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: :P

2005-12-16 [nehirwen]: I've added my name too ^^

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: how nice off you

2005-12-16 [nehirwen]: it's just what whe should do, isn't it..

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: yep. Couse she totaly deserves it.

2005-12-16 [Sunrose]: loool, thanks for the lovely hugs *^^*

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: no problem at all

2005-12-16 [nehirwen]: you're welcom ;)

2005-12-16 [Shadow-ofDeath]: Doing some work at the Elftown Academy. I am creating a C++ class, out of boredom, willingness to help others, and wanting to improve my application.

2005-12-16 [-tsukasa-]: If you want some more. You can always knock on MY door. :P It rhymes

2005-12-16 [Sunrose]: Then create a real application [Shadow-ofDeath] ;)

2005-12-16 [Shadow-ofDeath]: I did, it in the medium section.

2005-12-16 [Sunrose]: Goood ^__^

2005-12-16 [Shadow-ofDeath]: The class is up, just the basics so far though. C++ Class

2005-12-16 [Sunrose]: :)

2005-12-16 [Paz]: That class looks confusing @_@

2005-12-17 [-tsukasa-]: nice job [Shadow-ofDeath]

2005-12-17 [Shadow-ofDeath]: Thank you, I should be able to do some more work on it tommorow.

2005-12-17 [-tsukasa-]: I wish you good luck with working on it.

2005-12-17 [Shadow-ofDeath]: Thank you very much.

2005-12-17 [-tsukasa-]: no problem :P

2005-12-19 [-tsukasa-]: Anybody got something interesting to tell about Elftown ???????

2005-12-19 [Gluttony]: Well... it's full of people...

2005-12-19 [-tsukasa-]: that's true 170000+

2005-12-19 [Sunrose]: Please don't edit this wiki for updates for every minor detail you changed -_-

2005-12-19 [ArchangelGabriel]: Is the list in any order other than higher, medium and low? For instance, is the most likely candidate going to be at the top of the higher list or just some where in the higher list?

2005-12-19 [Sunrose]: No, they are in order of submission.

2005-12-19 [ArchangelGabriel]: Cool, thanks = D

2005-12-20 [-tsukasa-]: K sorry for the edit's :P

2005-12-20 [Shadow-ofDeath]: I just said mine was edited because I did... well I pretty much doubled the size of it. I added a poll and discussed my new class.

2005-12-20 [-tsukasa-]: owwyeah the class you were working on. Did it turn out good

2005-12-20 [Shadow-ofDeath]: Alright so far, but I have had a fever of 102 for the past few days, and haven't gotten to work on it. Trying not to do school work for now.

2005-12-20 [-tsukasa-]: who would do schoolwork

2005-12-20 [-tsukasa-]: and try to stay healthy :D

2005-12-20 [Shadow-ofDeath]: *Waves hand* (Nerd here)

2005-12-20 [-tsukasa-]: okay *that explains alot*

2005-12-23 [SpiralDragon]: (shadow will fail you!!!.... sorry shadow! :P)

2005-12-23 [-tsukasa-]: Well it's his decesions(He could take more pills)

2005-12-24 [Shadow-ofDeath]: Umm... Right... I have no idea how you made it into the High category Spiral... I found so many things in your page...

2005-12-24 [Zab]: Maybe he had a better attitude or have showed himself worthy in other ways than you know of?

2005-12-24 [-tsukasa-]: Yep, i agree with [Zab].